Chiropractic care: where skepticism meets miracles, and spouses become believers in wellness journeys. Join Dr. Frederick Schurger and Dr. Beth Bagley in this delightfully random episode, diving deep into a diverse range of topics. From low back pain to migraines and even space-occupying lesions in the brain, these two chiropractors explore it all. But the real gem of this conversation? The intriguing tales of spouses who find themselves unexpectedly in the chiropractic office, often at the gentle urging of their partners. Then, of course, the miraculous results that follow – results that even the most skeptical spouses can’t deny, leading them to claim it was their idea all along. Join us for an entertaining discussion that touches on the mysteries of the human body, the power of chiropractic care, and the unexpected twists and turns of life’s journey. Tune in now!
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The Random Episode On Low Back Pain And Spouses That Came In Because They Were Told To
Yes, Sometimes A Spouse Is Dragged Into The Office & Then Later Says It Was Their Idea All Along!!
Dr. Bagley, how are you doing?
I am well. How are you doing, Dr. Schurger?
I’m doing excellent. It’s wonderful to be back. I might have forgotten to upload yet Episode 25. We will have a couple of episodes that might be open here. People are going to be like, “Where are you? Where’s The Blonde & The Bald?”
I had a patient. I put up a sign about our show. She understood the name because of the picture, but she was like, “I would never have thought that was about chiropractic.” I was like, “That’s the point because we want people to start listening.” Maybe they’re going to type in a search engine vestibular problems. I want them to come up with this show because that’s one of the things we’re going to go over and know that there are options that don’t always involve taking medications that tend to not work.
On that point, when most people think of chiropractic, they stop at low back pain. I have to ask because I’ve had several new patients. The thought comes to mind, “When was the last time you had a pure low back pain patient come into the office that wasn’t drug in by his or her spouse?”
Never or very rarely. Honestly, we don’t attract plain low back pain patients. If they call us, most of them are like, “I have terrible lower back pain, and I need to be seen right away.” We don’t do that. We have a waiting list. We would see a patient of ours on an emergency basis, but if you’re a brand new patient, we’re not going to break up our schedule to see you as an emergency, especially if all you want is whack and crack.
What we do has a lot more in-depth work that needs to be done even before we can start saying, “Let’s get you adjusted.” Sometimes we have those cases, but that’s because they already know us. They’re familiar with, “I need my head on straight. I need to get this fixed.” It’s usually a spouse. I had a Meniere’s case come in. My wife got a kick out of it because my wife, Jeanne, double-checks the paperwork and enters all the people into the database. It said, “Why are you coming to see us?” It said, “My wife said so.”
We get that all the time, “My wife made me.” I had a husband come in. It’s the same thing. We like him. He is a great guy. When you love someone, you want them to get the care they need. Sometimes you have to force them.
We will talk about at some point in time why a low back case makes the best sense to be under upper cervical care and why the atlas and the axis have such a thing.
We should talk about that in this episode because back pain is a big deal. It affects so many people.
There’s an opioid crisis going on because of back pain.
People have no idea. You will get a massage on your back. You put heat on your back. You put cold on your back. You put creams, lotions, and potions all over your back. You take pills, but nobody looks at your neck.
It wasn’t a conversation you and I were having. It was Dr. John Stenberg out of Colorado Springs. He went down the list. Somebody else said, “Does this help with so-and-so?” It was a migraine case that he was mentioning. Sometimes we help with migraine cases. Sometimes migraines are a tumor or some space-occupying lesion in the brain that is pushing on other structures. If you’ve ruled that out, the question is this. Which one do you need to rule out first? Which is more common, having a neck problem that may be causing a headache or a head problem, or a problem that is cancer, a space-occupying lesion, or something along those lines? They both happen.
I don’t want a tumor in my brain. That sounds horrible. I’ve got a friend of a friend, another chiropractic colleague. She was going to see me for her migraines, and then all of a sudden, she got the MRI back. Sure enough, she’s got a golf ball inside her brain that’s not supposed to be there. They’re trying to figure that out. She still might come on up to see if we can help things out. The question is this. Which one is more likely to be the case right off the bat with no preexisting history? It will probably be the neck problem. Maybe nobody has asked that question. What are your thoughts? Let’s talk about low back pain.
The shift that we’re talking about happens around the brainstem, but the bigger issue is what’s going on with the whole body. If there’s a shift at the top of the neck, it’s going to cause changes, not just with what we can feel but also the things we can’t feel like internal organs. Why low back pain is a big deal though is because of how often it happens to people.
What we’re going to see is a shoulder tilt, a hip tilt, and a leg shorter than the other. One of the things you will find with Blair doctors is we check leg lengths. Why we check leg lengths is not because we care about your feet. We care about your whole body, but we don’t care about your feet. What we care about is what that means. You could have a short leg, but typically, people have a leg pulling short. What that means is the muscles of the hip and the back are pulling one hip higher than the other when you’re lying down. When you’re standing, you’re going to be in a different position. It will probably be the lower hip.
What happens is that the hip pulls up, and all of these muscles tighten on one side and loosen on the other. It will cause the sacroiliac joint. When people talk about low back pain, low back pain is right in here around L5, L4, or those areas, but sacroiliac pain is these two big joints between where your giant hip bone sits together and your sacrum, which is a triangle bone at the bottom of your spine.
For those who are trying to figure out what that looks like, some people will call it the little dimples on their back above their buttocks. I’ve got one patient who calls it her dots. Her dots hurt.
When we see a shift in the upper neck, we almost always see a shift in the leg lengths, which is cool. I’m excited that we get that because first of all, we can check after we do an adjustment and see leg lengths become much reduced or most of the time even. We already know that this is going to help their lower back, which is amazing. That’s why a chiropractor who isn’t checking your neck and who’s not an upper cervical specialist might be missing the bigger point. If the structure is off, many times, it starts at the foundation of the top of the neck. That can cause other things, too, but it almost always causes one leg to pull up shorter than the other.
For a lot of people, what I find is it is a global change to a small problem in the upper neck that is shifting everything out of place. It’s amazing how fast it restores back to balance. I can’t get the patient up off the table, and I won’t because that would be too fast, but I can’t get a patient after adjusting them up off the table so fast that I don’t see that change. This is not a 30-minute change. This is a 30-millisecond change. It happens that fast for a lot of us, myself included.
When I’m out of adjustment, a general low back complaint automatically melts. Sometimes I don’t even feel pain as much as I have this tightness that I’ve not acknowledged. It doesn’t bother me. It doesn’t interfere with my day-to-day life anymore. As soon as I get adjusted, that low back melts down and relaxes. I’m ready to take a nap for 20 to 33 hours.
One of my main complaints before upper cervical care was low back pain. We bend over half the day. We’re bent over. Occasionally, we still do get some pain because of our jobs, but it’s not a daily complaint. It’s not even something I think about on a daily basis anymore. I used to always wait for the next episode of back pain. I have a question for you about me. I get a lot of tenderness in my back. If someone pokes on it, it hurts. What are your thoughts on where that stuff comes from for people?
What I’ve got up is a cross-section of the atlas. This is where all the pieces and parts at the level of the atlas of your spinal cord are. This is about that big across except blown up into this beautiful picture. What I’m showing is where the dentate ligaments are coming into the spinal cord to hold it in place in the center of the canal as well as to distort it when you are pulled out of proper alignment because they’re coming straight across. Why do you get aches, pains, pokes, and prods in the lower back when you’re out of adjustment and not so much up in the neck? The reason is that you start having this radiation of stress along certain parts of that cord that are causing more problems.
There are a number of different tracts. We’re not going to get into those specifically, but those can be affected. As far as pain getting affected by this, you’ve got two things. You’ve got that radiation on the right, which is also there on the left, but on the left, this one is showing the breakdown of what they call the lateral spinothalamic tract and the ventral spinocerebellar tract. Anytime you see the cerebellum, you’re thinking, “Position-sense, how do you move? How do you perceive the world in gravity?” Spinothalamic is more of a pain tract than anything else.
What’s interesting is how the fibers are aligned for where the pain is going to be. In the S, L, T, and C, the S is on the outside edge of the spinal cord. That is all the sacral nerve endings and the sacral nerve communication from the spine to the thalamus. You have the lumbars coming in next, the thoracics, and then the cervicals. The cervicals are more medial into the center of the canal. Any stretch or any pull is going to affect the lower ones first before it’s going to get up into the neck or the upper back.
That’s why you’re going to feel it low before you feel it high. Where do people feel it high if they’ve got a head and neck problem that is affecting their neck or their shoulders? That is oftentimes related to how their head and shoulders are already positioned in what they call Upper Cross Syndrome where your head and your shoulders have lost their normal curves, and you’re accentuating curves more than you’re supposed to so that you now have the hump. No one wants the hump.
Women are more concerned about that than men. You see men with the hump, but women get afraid of the hump because we know it doesn’t look nice. Especially, it doesn’t feel nice. Your body does not work well with that.
That’s long term because if you’ve had this problem for a while, then you’re going to start having that present and things like hand pain, numbness, discoordination, and something called Thoracic Outlet Syndrome, which is your clavicle laying down on what they call the brachial plexus, which is all the nerves for your arm. All of that stuff starts coming as a result.
Have you ever had patients who have had rib removal surgery in that stuff for a thoracic outlet? I’ve had two. They came to me afterward.
I did this presentation to my networking group. A young man mentioned that he had that when he was younger, and he still has problems. He is like, “What exercises can I do?” Exercises are putting drywall on a crack in your wall when your foundation is off balance. It’s not addressing the thing that needs to get fixed first.
Exercises are putting drywall on a crack in the wall when your foundation is off balance. Click To TweetIt’s just a Band-Aid, and sometimes it’s not even a good Band-Aid. I love when people ask me, “What exercises can I do?” If they’re a patient under care, I do have some that they can do to help support them, but honestly, if zero of my patients did exercises, 90% of them would still get better because it’s more about this stuff. It’s more about when there’s stress in the nervous system, which you’ve shown a beautiful picture of. That makes everything go haywire. I love the fact that you can say, “Why would something in my neck cause my lumbar spine to pull up on one side?” This is it, “Why would something in my neck cause something in my brain not to work well?” I’ve had a ton of patients that have come in with different types of vertigo. That’s one of those things. Are you going to show a tract?
That’s what all these little pieces and parts are. The big one is the lateral corticospinal tract. That’s the cortex spine. That’s coming from your brain down to your spine.
It’s as close as those other tracts that we’re talking about. That would affect your lumbar spine. It’s on a different part of the brainstem area, but it’s as close. If this can affect your lower back, this can affect dizziness.
It’s different parts that will affect it in different fashions. Let’s talk about the reticular formation. Don’t worry about Derifield-Thompson. This is a technique. Part of it is reminding me of stuff. These two tracks are responsible for cardiovascular and respiratory or your heart and your breathing right off the bat. There’s a sensory-motor reflex in here. It’s the coordination of eye movements. It is the regulation of sleep and wakefulness. How many people have a hard time waking up or getting to sleep because of potentially this area?
How many patients do you have that get adjusted, and before they leave, they say, “I can’t wait to go sleep tonight because I’m going to get the best night’s sleep,” because they haven’t been sleeping well?
I lay them down for twenty minutes and wake them up. Unless I know that they need to be somewhere, or if I’m moving people in and out of the resting room, if I have time for someone out cold, and I don’t have to be anywhere, I’m letting them sleep. I’ve let people sleep for an hour and a half sometimes because I try to wake them, and they won’t. I’m like, “You need to be right there more than anything else.” It’s that rest-digest side of your nervous system or your automatic operating system that is trying to get you to slow down, which sometimes we all have to do. As a funny aside, this reticular formation is a feedforward mechanism of posture control. It knows you’re going to move before you know you’re going to move.
My brain exploded.
I read that a couple of years ago.
It’s a dream within a dream. It’s Inception.
Your brain knows you’re going to move. You could be sitting there, and before you have thought that you need to get up and go to the restroom, your brain has already figured out how you’re going to get up and move. It’s crazy. We are fearfully and wonderfully designed. Spinocerebellar, which was a little bit off to the side, is coordination. The spinal trigeminal nucleus is the pain sensation in the face. This is why trigeminal neuralgia folks don’t oftentimes get good results because they’re putting the needle into their facial nerve where it’s coming out of the trigeminal nerve in the face as opposed to the spot where the spinal cord is interpreting all the data as it were.
We are fearfully and wonderfully designed. Click To TweetThat’s why if caught early enough, and the damage isn’t too great, there are unbelievable results with trigeminal neuralgia. It’s given people their lives back. It still helps. There are some people who come in and thank God for the internet. They have found us very quickly after getting trigeminal neuralgia symptoms and have gotten well relatively quickly to the point where I don’t even see them anymore. I always like to have some checkups every so often, but I get it. The ones that came to me after years of the chronicity of it have to stick with care way longer. I like seeing my people, but I want people to be well.
When was the last time you rode a bike? Both of us can hop on a bike and go for a two-mile bike ride without any trouble. I did a twenty-mile bike ride with my brother. Those of you who are bike riders will understand this. He did a fixed-gear bike that he had remade, and he was fast. He was doing 160 miles across the state of Indiana on a regular basis. He killed me. I was going to die. I probably hadn’t ridden a bike in months. Neurologically, I knew how to do it. Physically, I had nothing. He broke me. I got back to him later.
He broke your spirit mostly.
He did break my spirit a lot. Neurologically, I knew how to do it, but physically, I couldn’t. There’s so much of it that goes on in our bodies. How many people played a sport in high school, didn’t play it for another 10 to 15 years, and did a pickup game? They’re like, “This is going to be fun. I haven’t done this in 10 to 15 years.” There are two problems. 1) Neurologically, your brain remembers how to do it as if it was yesterday. 2) Physically, you are not in that shape to do it. This is where you end up hurting yourself.
I started playing kickball with an adult kickball league. I was good at kickball when I was a kid.
I believe it.
I kicked the ball. It didn’t get caught. I was running toward the first base. I do work out quite often. I don’t sprint ever. That’s not part of my workout. It probably should be. It’s a good workout.
Sprints would be nice.
I sprinted and immediately pulled a hamstring. I was dragging my leg behind me. I was like, “Somebody run for me.” I was out for two weeks.
This is the thing about the nervous system. The nervous system remembers things. It will send signals to the body to do what they’re supposed to. Whether or not the body is conditioned to be able to do that is a different story. Getting back to the trigeminal neuralgia, we can get these people better. It’s the same thing with Meniere’s cases with the vertigo, but the problem is those nerves have been sensitized because the phrase, “What wires together fires together,” is true to form.
The nervous system remembers things and will send signals to the body to do what they're supposed to. Whether or not the body is conditioned to be able to do that is a different story. Click To TweetIf you create that circuit in the brain, it’s going to fire more often because it already recognizes the signal coming in and then the sensation. Oftentimes, if it’s a pain situation, your body is going to overcompensate trying to say, “I have a problem here. I need to protect myself in one shape, form, or another.” This is why in a lot of those trigeminal cases, it will take months to years before they can get significant relief. They will get an immediate relief. Maybe it goes down from severe to moderate pain.
James Tomasi said this. Causing direct stimulation of those nerves or talking about his experience would bring the pain back, and that was enough. He said it took him about twenty years before that got to such a level that it wasn’t a problem anymore. It’s pretty intense. It’s a matter of allowing those nervous sensations to calm down. You’ve got two more here. I’m going to go through vibratory sense, two-point discrimination, and proprioception. You know where your body is in space. You’re not falling further away.
That’s one of the neurological tests that a lot of chiropractors do. It almost looks like a sobriety test if you’re drunk on the side of the road. When you drink, it’s the same type of thing that gets affected if you can’t touch your nose with your fingers. You can look drunk by being out of alignment.
What’s interesting is this gracilis and cuneatus area. Instead of being sacrum, lumbar, thoracic, and cervical, cervicals are on the outside, and then the sacrum is more on the inside. It’s backward. Your proprioception or your ability to know where you are in space is more affecting your upper body than your lower body when you’re out of adjustment when you’ve got that stress. It’s interesting.
That was one I didn’t know.
The lateral corticospinal tract is your fine motor skills. This thing is a big old beast at your atlas. It’s bigger than life. It’s huge. This is lower down. A fifth cervical slice is what this one looks like. It’s still pretty big, but it’s smaller. It’s this lateral column.
What’s your point in that? Explain it to somebody who’s not into neurology.
You have a bigger surface area that is being affected. You got a bunch of wires coming down through. If you’re pulling on the outer sheath, now you’re changing how those wires work. Think about a wire that is a little bit frayed. You’re trying to get it to work. It makes the connection, and your thing can power up. Your cell phone that is 17 years old has an 18-year-old wire. You want to power it up, and you have to put it in that funny position. Unfortunately, when your atlas is out of position, those wires or nerves are in a funny position. That’s what’s causing the trouble. It explains how everything is intermingled around the atlas and the upper neck.
Everything is intermingled around the atlas in the upper neck. This isn't Magic. This is science. Click To TweetThis isn’t magic. This is science. This is happening. Our patients will be like, “You have magic hands. You do voodoo stuff.” I always think it’s cute, but at the same time, I say, “This is real science. This is happening to your body. I’m not magic. I’m not Harry Potter.”
The worst part is this hand did not do the healing. This hand put the bone back into place.
All I did was move a bone to the right place at the right time with the right amount.
Once you get your head on straight, your body knows how to take care of itself and heal the way it was always intended to and the way God designed you. I had a patient in. She has scoliosis, and she’s complaining because she’s starting to work out again. She got onto a rowing machine. Every time she gets her ribs or her side that’s a little bit more compacted a little bit wrong, it grabs her wrong, and she cannot breathe for a couple of days. I told her, “That’s why you have to go free weights.” She is like, “I trust you. I know you understand this stuff. You need to go out and figure out how we can turn my bones into mush and then return them on so we can get me out of the scoliosis.” I’m like, “It doesn’t work that way.”
It’s not magic.
With osteoporosis, they said there are two cells that are primarily responsible for breaking down bones and rebuilding them. You have these things called osteoblasts that rebuild bone and osteoclasts that break down bone. The bright idea of some of these scientists at the beginning was, “Why don’t we give a drug that makes the osteoblasts turn up and do more things?” If you are thinking about this for two seconds, it sounds like a grand idea until you realize that’s what bone cancers do. The osteoblasts are out of control, and that’s a major problem. Instead, a lot of these osteoporosis medications slow down your body’s ability for the osteoclasts to do their job, which is a little better except it’s not because now it doesn’t break down the bone properly.
We are supposed to always have something breaking down. The process is supposed to constantly work.
Getting back to my patient, she’s like, “How do I fix this?” I’m like, “You go to the gym, see this personal trainer, and see if she has some ideas, but you lift heavy things if you want to build stronger bones.” It is that simple.
Have a good diet. If you’re like, “I swim every day,” I’ll be like, “That’s not good.” Swimming is great, but you need to lift heavy things too.
You cannot get by in life without lifting heavy things. 9.81 gravity needs a little bit more moving around. You have to move every day rather than lift every day 3 to 4 days a week.
Talking about gravity, one of the main concerns that astronauts have if they’re on the International Space Station is that they lose bone density and strength too. They do their workouts where they’re getting pulled down against the treadmill or do the strength training to try to exactly negate some of it, but no matter what, they’re going to lose some of the bone density when they’re up there.
There are two problems. They’re losing bone mass by being in space, which is always why I don’t have a great feel for this entire Mars trip that Elon has planned because most of those astronauts can’t spend a lot of time up there because zero gravity does two things. It causes the bones to break down, but there is an elongation of the spine. Instead of having your spine at six feet, now we are elongating it to another inch and a half longer. You’re stretching your spinal cord. We talked about that. That’s bad.
There are two things. 1.) The biggest issue I see with that then is that there’s no chiropractor up there with them. Why would you go? You can’t be that far away from your chiropractor. That’s ridiculous. The second thing is at least twice a month, somebody will ask me about the jackass on YouTube and TikTok or wherever he is. I don’t watch it. He does the Ring Dinger.
I’m not a fan of that.
How has he not killed someone?
This is the joy of chiropractic. The people that are seeing him are getting good results. This is where there’s a chiropractor for everybody who will get them right. This goes back to my made-up statistics that 80% of the population will respond well to any form of chiropractic. There’s 20% of us though that need something more precise and more exacting like the Blair Upper Cervical work that we do day in and day out because the nervous system is either super sensitized to everything going on with it, and they’re having problems, or the way they’re built and the way people either feel it or see it on an X-ray do not see the full picture of how that bone needs to move.
I am going to go ahead and add that to my practice since 80% is going to get better. I’m going to start wrapping towels around people’s necks and ripping their heads straight up. We will see how it goes.
I’m not going to let you do that to me.
I’m good at it. I took a week in a seminar.
This is a problem in our profession.
Speaking of weekend seminars, there is our Blair Primary. For anybody who hasn’t ever heard, Blair is the technique that Dr. Schurger and I do. Primary is the first of three classes that we teach to students and doctors who want to learn the technique. What’s so cool is we’ve got 4 students and 1 doctor signed up so far.
We’re going to have a good time. We’ve got one more doctor to come back. One of your former associates, Dr. Shiloh, was planning on coming up for this. It goes back to the point of how taking a weekend seminar gets your feet wet.
That’s all it does.
I had a guy come to replace my lock here because it had broken. I’m like, “I’m done. I need it replaced.” He was asking, “Are you keeping busy?” I’m like, “I’m keeping steady.” Explaining what I do is different than normal chiropractors. I explained how we do the upper cervical work in the craniocervical junction. He’s like, “Is that an extra class?” I’ve probably done thousands of hours of extra seminars for this work. He was like, “That’s a lot.”
On the daily, we’re doing research. We’re constantly looking at this stuff because we love it. This is our lifeblood. Our happy place is learning how to help people live better lives. We were going to talk about vestibular issues, but we have gone off the deep end.
Sometimes it’s these random things that are more important to talk about because they have all the information, pieces, and parts because there’s more than one thing going on.
I have checkboxes on my intake form that have, “What’s going on?” You see checks. You see all these things going on. We’re the first doctors that ever looked at all of them together and said, “This could be all to do with one problem in your body, which is a structural shift.” Their heads go, “Could it be?” I was like, “I can’t promise you. That’s not my job. My job is not to fix every one of these things. It’s your job to fix these things. I can take the pressure off the system so that your body can start doing these things and check marks off.” It’s the best job in the world.
A chiropractor’s job is not to fix every one of these things; it's your job to fix them. They can just take the pressure off the system so your body can start doing these things and check marks off. Click To TweetA lot of people are like, “How do we treat this?” I had somebody call up and say, “I hear you have a treatment for trigeminal neuralgia.” I’m like, “No, but I’ve helped a lot of people with trigeminal neuralgia.”
You don’t want to dissuade those people from coming in by saying, “You’re wrong. I don’t treat anything.” We know that we don’t treat anything other than a structural shift or subluxation, but I gently say exactly what you say, “We help a ton of people with that. I’m so glad you called exactly the right place.”
There are so many people who are lost.
They have tried everything, and they were told they had to live with it, “This is something you will have to live with.”
I had a VA case start. A former Marine decided to fall off a mountain in full gear, no less. This was during training.
He’s here to tell the tale. Some of those people don’t ever get to tell the tale.
The worst part was his veneers. The neurologist that he saw through the VA said, “There is no help for you. There is no cure. Lower your salt. That’s all we can do for you.”
Does that help? Everybody who has veneers has been told to lower the salt. There’s some proof.
I have a tablespoon of salts in this water thing right here. I don’t think it’s the answer because it doesn’t seem to solve any problems. If taking salt out of your diet was a solution, then we would have improvements in a lot of things. Low-sodium diets are bad. High-sodium diets are bad. Their salt is a U-shaped curve for your overall health. If you get too little salt in your diet, that will cause cardiac problems. If you get too much in your diet, it will cause cardiac problems. If you are out in the heat in the Central Midwest on days without some extra electrolytes, you’re going to have problems. It’s a U-shaped curve, and you want to be somewhere in the middle getting enough electrolytes so that you are not wiping yourself out.
One of the bigger problems when people have too much salt is the reason they have too much salt is they’re getting it through processed foods too. They’re typically not taking Himalayan salt and dumping it into their mouths.
They’re also not getting enough potassium. We need five grams daily of potassium. The potassium supplement is about 99 milligrams. I went back and forth. I thought this was some crazy FDA conspiracy. You can get potassium chloride in the form of a Mrs. Dash or a Nu-Salt. Cole Robinson, God bless that man, was well-known for his explorations on diets and fasting. He’s come up with this thing called the snake juice diet, which is fasting. He has changed so much over the past several years.
He decided that he was going to take straight potassium chloride down his stomach. He’s lucky he’s alive because straight dry potassium chloride mixed with your stomach acid can burn a hole through you. This is why you can throw it in water and ionize it because when you put salt in water, it ionizes. You have a solution that your body can work with. That’s why I’ve got Redmond Real Salt, potassium chloride, and baking soda because I’m doing a pseudo-twenty-hour fast. That hits all of the electrolytes that I need to make it through my day.
That’s an important thing. A lot of people immediately for some reason think that you have to eat a banana when you get leg cramps. I was like, “There are other ways to get your potassium.” Banana is not even that great of a potassium source. It’s full of sugar.
Avocados are better. Get your guacamole pudding because that’s how I eat it.
That’s nasty. Are you talking about when you add chocolate to it?
I did that too. I haven’t done that in a while.
It’s so gross. You were like, “It tastes like pudding.” I was like, “This tastes nothing like pudding. This is disgusting.” I like avocados, but don’t put cocoa powder in there. I don’t even remember. It was gross.
It’s not all that bad. I didn’t have the right sweetener.
I do think that there are supplements and stuff you can take for electrolytes, but know that it’s not just salt. It’s the other things too. It’s a nice mixture if you’re having leg cramps or something, especially if you’re on a fast.
You might need some magnesium with that as well. You don’t have to buy high-dollar ones. You can figure out how to mix it up for yourself.
I bought different bags, some Nu-Salt, and that kind of stuff, and made my mixture of those things. I put a couple of shakes. I have it in a shaker in my water.
Getting back to Cole Robinson, he was like, “Do you want me to make this product? It is salt in a packet. I have to charge you more than if you were to buy it straight.” He was condescending about it, which is Cole’s MO.
People want convenience, and I get that. Maybe we should have The Blonde & The Bald salt packages and electrolyte mixes. It’s coming soon to a Whole Paycheck near you.
It’s Dr. Schurger’s salty mix. That comes off wrong. Dr. Bagley, you and I both need to go home and get some dinner.
We are slaphappy.
We have had a busy slammed week. I don’t think I’ve stopped moving.
I don’t even know what my desk looks like because I haven’t been to it.
We should wrap up. Dr. Bagley, where are they going to find you?
I am in St. Louis, Missouri, and you can find me at PrecisionChiropracticSTL.com.
I’m at KeystoneChiroSPI.com. I’m in Springfield, Illinois. We did not get hit by the tornado. We are still intact.
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We’re going to call it for the day, and hopefully, we won’t have too much of a delay between episodes. We will see you later.
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