We apologize for the non-extravaganza episode, but knowing how important it is to get a vacation in may also require knowing how to get adjusted when traveling on the road to get the most out of your trip! We cover terms like listings, subluxation, neural structural shift & more in this episode as Dr. Beth Bagley recounts how bad she was feeling while on vacation. Luckily, she knew where to get adjusted!
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What To Pack When You’re A Blair Doc On Vacation! Like Your Listing Card! Plus Other Confusing Terminology
Welcome, folks, for those of you who are reading this in your car because you’re being as efficient with your time as possible. You will not see our lovely Sunday outfits.
If you are watching on YouTube, you get to see these wonderful outfits because we’re both probably dirty.
I took a shower.
I’m dirty because I drove six hours or five hours into the car.
Where’d you go? You had called and said, “Can’t do our normal Thursday show.” What’s going on? Where did this trip take you?
Around Christmas time, I was trying to decide how to give teenagers a present because they don’t want anything. They just want money to buy stupid stuff. They don’t play toys anymore. They play video games.
By the way, they’re not musicians. As I pan over here, there’s the expensive toys that they could be asking for.
They could be. I would make them buy them with their own money if they wanted those. I was trying to contemplate what do we do with these teenagers because there’s three teenagers on my husband side, the cousins and my two fourteen year olds. I thought, “Let’s do a weekend trip.” We decided on Branson because I haven’t been to Branson since I was nine years old.
You’ve been there twice now more than I have because I’ve yet to get there.
There you go. I know it’s a tourist trap, but I love that stuff. I can honestly say that stuff is my jam. We decided to go in the off season because it’s February and happened to be not snowing, but 60 degree weather. We lucked out, but off season travel is a lot less expensive because we were able to get our Airbnb for about half the price. We’re in this million dollar home, which was amazing. All of that stuff is great, except on the way, honestly. I was working on Thursday. I didn’t feel 100%.
I saw a ton of patients because my associate was sick. I was seeing all the patients in my office myself and I left a little late because we got jammed up and I got sick at work. I didn’t have anyone to check me at the end of the day. I got in the car right away when I got home and we drove for five hours. By the end of that, I was achy and sore. I didn’t feel real good. When I went to bed after we got there, I started having these simple that I’ve had after a whiplash injury that I had years ago where my body jerks itself awake over and over through the night.
Everyone’s had that. When you’re about to fall asleep, you do that jerk but this is unstoppable. It’s not like a seizure where it’s like happening fast. It’s like I would start to fall asleep then jerk. Another five minutes then jerk. It happens through the whole night. It’s abusive. You think, “This is the time I’m going to get to sleep. I’m going to do it this time,” then again, I’m awake. Awake enough that I’m conscious.
I knew at that point that I was not going to have a very good trip because I didn’t feel good. When we all woke up, in the morning, we decided to go to the grocery store. I had this thought. I was like, “It’s Friday. Chiropractors are many times open on Fridays.” At least for the morning. There’s this young chiropractor that I’ve referred a few patients to in Branson. His name is Dr. Jacob Lewallen. I thought, “It’s morning.” I was calm. He answered the phone right away. I said, “It’s Dr. Beth Bagley from St. Louis, Missouri.” He’s like, “How are you doing?”
He wanted to know if I needed to talk about a patient. I was like, “It’s more about me. Is there any way that you can squeeze me in this morning?” He looked at his books. He’s like a one man show, so he’s running the whole office himself. He was able to squeeze me in. I was able to get him checked. It was beautiful and it saved my vacation because I was not going to be in a very good shape.
Have Your Listings
One of the things that was essential for that process of being smooth was that I had my listings with me. I realized when I thought of, “I can say to Dr. Schurger and Dr. Jacob, I have my listings.” If I said that to a patient, like, “Do you have your listing?” A lot of them will say, “I have no idea what that is.” I thought that’s a cool topic for this episode because Blair listings is a very specific set of letters and numbers that is like a fingerprint of your spine.
That is so important for us Blair chiropractors for the congruity care between one chiropractor to another. If I gave my Blair listings to a doctor that doesn’t do Blair or has not been trained in Blair. They’re going to look at that and maybe understand some of it, but not understand all of it, which stinks. I wish we had in chiropractic this ultimate listing system that everybody understood. I don’t see that ever happening.
We do because back in the day, this goes back to the pre-1920s. Back in those days, listing systems involved a level vertebra that was out of a place. This was before upper cervical was the thing and a left or right motion but there’s variances in that. Listings didn’t come into play until Clarence Gonstead in the early 1920s developed his listing system for all levels of the spine.
Most of them are identical from C2 down to L5 but they vary a little bit and of course there’s nuances there and that is the standard listing system that is taught in all schools except the Blair listing system isn’t quite identical to that. It’s a little identical but it’s different enough. It’s different from the angles because in the context Gonstead world, when they’re looking at an Atlas, they are looking at an Atlas relative to C2. Whereas we’re looking at an Atlas relative to C1, which makes a difference in how you’re going to approach it.
Also, PC0 or the Ox.
It’s understanding how the technique has developed the approach, makes it a nice shorthand for us when we call those listings. It should even amongst upper cervical. We’ve got at least 2 or 3 different systems that have variations and even variations within those systems. It’s tricky. If you are traveling, I’ve got a new patient who’s about three hours from me.
She’s got two docs. I’m the expert, and she’s like, “I’ve researched you. You’re the man.” She’s doing great with me, so she’s like, “We’re going to stick with you this for the time being.”One of the things that I’m going to have her do is take a picture of her listing card that I write up for that way she has a copy of it.
That’s also important that you said to take a picture of it. Now, I can hand somebody a card. I have like a full sheet of paper I can hand to them but they lose them. Typically, you don’t lose your phone or hopefully, don’t. If you take a picture up with your phone and that’s something anyone reading can ask their doctor and say, “Can I take a picture of how you adjust me, my listings?”First of all, they’ll look at you like, “You know what a listing is,” which is cool. Second of all, you then have that on your phone for if you are traveling. I think that’s a great idea.
That way you have it handy. I don’t know how to organize. Apple kept on coming out with changes in the various software. I’m on an iPhone7. My wife’s on a 14. I was trying to play with hers and I’m like, “This is dumb. It’s not more intuitive.” It’s less intuitive, if you will. I keep all my pictures for all my listings for all my family members, myself, Jean, my dad’s and a couple of others in the favorites listing so that I can find it quickly and I don’t have to mess around with it.
That way, for me, especially, if I’m like, “I’m visiting with dad. Dad needs to be adjusted. Here’s his listing.” I’ve got that available. I also have in the case of my wife, Jean. She’s got several because we change from time to time. Every now and then, I compare where was she last time and where was she the time before that because things change a little bit. Sometimes a lot.
With certain people for sure.
Sometimes I wonder how far back do we need to go to reanalyze where she is now because she might have reverted back to something older as the healing progression has gone on.
With a patient like Jean, how often are you reassessing with a CBCT image?
I would say, we’re probably 4 to 6 months, so 2 or 3 months.
That seems reasonable. I have a few patients that are similar to her and that’s about what we have to do, too.
I would say when we take a step back and look at the healing cycle that the body will go through. There is definitely a three-month healing cycle and a six-month healing cycle. Sometimes, at the end of that three-month healing cycle, you’re like, “Something’s wrong. Something’s off. Let’s take a picture.” Again, with the cone beam that we’re doing now, radiation dose is so low. We’ll come back to that for discussions of terms that we use, and sometimes interchangeably. The radiation dose is so low that I’m not worried about overexposure. It’s quite quick, fast, and it gives us the information we need to get a new listing.
When we take a step back and look at the healing cycle the body will go through, there are definitely three-month and six-month healing cycles. Share on XUsing CBCT
Let’s go over CBCT. Again, we won’t go into the technicalities of it but you’ll hear us say that on the show quite often. What we’re looking at is a 3D X-ray. It’s a CT Scan, so cone beam computed tomography.
The cone beam is important in this phrase. If you go into the hospital and get a CT, high radiation. Again, it’s necessary.
That’s an emergency situation.
Either it’s an emergency situation. They’re doing a chest CT to make sure something isn’t bleeding or have something else going on.
That’s what’s great about that in the hospital. If you do have a brain bleed or something going on, they can tell within minutes. An MRI, which might give you a better soft tissue image. That takes 45 minutes. You could be dead by then.
No X-ray involved with an MRI. This is a matter of the technology. Cone beam CT is relatively new in the game. It works best in a small field. The original cone beams were maybe a little bit. The image that it would grab was a little bit bigger than a large cell phone these days. Now, you can get most of the head, and they’re looking at even going one step further using a little bit larger array to pick up everything and run that up and down the entire body.
The dental cone beam CT is relatively new in the game. It works best in a small field. Share on XWhich will be so cool.
It will be. It’s going to be doubly cool because to get into a CT for a full body X-ray, you have to lay on your back. The cone beam would allow you to stand up in gravity and see everything. Also, not nearly as claustrophobic or lack. The only downside is it’s going to take a longer scan to do everything. Maybe take a couple of minutes, but if you can stand for five minutes without moving a whole lot, you’ll be all right. I suspect they’ll have ways to support yourself lean up against something.
To keep you still because it’s hard to stand still. Even with the CBCTs we do in our office, the chances I have to retake it. Maybe 1 out of 50, I have to retake because of movement or I slightly had them in the wrong position. We’re not retaking many of these. It’s just that if somebody sneezed during it or coughed, it makes it fuzzy.
The other thing to remember, sometimes we’ll call it a CT. More often than not, we’re going to call it a cone beam if we don’t call it the whole CBCT because the cone beam is the important part. That technology allows for a considerably lower radiation to help us get that 3D image that we’re looking for to see exactly how to create that custom correction.
I truly think that my patients because I’ve ran the numbers, are getting less radiation dose than they did with the seven pictures I used to have to take. That is incredible and we get far beat like so much better pictures. The only thing that gets me is sometimes I can’t get as low into the spine because of large shoulders but that’s okay. There’s always going to be a plus and a minus. I will call them images to people. I’m talking to them now. For a while, I was still saying X-ray and I would stop myself because I know, essentially, it used X-ray technology.
It’s still X-ray but it’s not X-ray in the same fashion just because of the way the technology has gotten. The computer itself, these digital images, can figure out and do some math to put all that pieces together so we can get that 3D visualization. It is worth its weight in gold. I haven’t talked to our buddy Chris at Encompass Digital. My suspicion is the limiting factor for where we’re at now as far as going lower in the shoulders, would be involved with the size of the array in the receiving box. That’s my gut. I haven’t looked inside that box more than maybe 30 seconds. I didn’t consider that now that I’ve worked with the machine for a couple of years. I’ll have to talk to Chris about that but in any case.
Real quick so I can wrap this together for someone reading. We use the CBCT images to come up with a listing on a person. That listing is unique to that person and tells a Blair chiropractor or any chiropractor. If you do Blair and we did a Blair analysis on that CBCT, it tells any Blair chiropractor the angles and the adjustments that need to be or could need to be done on that person. Now, just because I see a misalignment or a shift on a picture, does that mean as a chiropractor I should adjust every misalignment I see?
Subluxation, Luxation, And Neural Structural Shift
No, you beat me to it because I was going to say that what we see on the X-ray is what we call a misalignment. That misalignment, we’ve created definitions that take the misalignment into a listing but then we have to connect that to what is neurologically going on in the body that needs to be addressed. There’s a couple of different names for that. In our offices, we call it a shift. I call it a neural structural shift. You call it a global shift. If you’ve been to a chiropractor before, you’ve probably heard the term subluxation.
If we break down that word real quick just so somebody listening can start remembering. If they hear other people saying it, sub means less and lux means light. The term came from a decrease of the energy. It’s less light. For something that came up with 100 plus years ago, it’s a beautiful term for what we find. What we have found that there’s two now that we can use that explain it to modern people better.
I would concur because the subluxation is one of those weird words. I still like the word.
I don’t hate it.
I find that it gets into this weird space where when people start seeing medical terminology. Medical terminology oftentimes rules the day especially on an X-ray. There are two different versions. There’s something called a luxation. Not a subluxation but just a simple luxation in medical imaging that shows a joint surface that is beyond its normal limit, significantly beyond. That may typically require surgical intervention.
In the medical terms, there is a term called subluxation that is something less than that. What we are dealing with in chiropractic is not necessarily even to that severity. We have the same word with two definitions depending upon whether or not you’re in medical terminology or a chiropractic terminology.
That can be an issue between a medical doctor and a chiropractor because if I was to come up to a medical doctor and says, “Your mom has a subluxation.” They’d be like, “Let’s get her to the hospital. Does she need surgery or when do we do surgery?”
It also has a problem because both all three definitions subluxation, chiro subluxation medical, and luxation. All three of those are way too complicated for the average individual. I want to make it simple for everyone to understand which is why shift comes into play. When I’m looking at this stuff, we’ve got significant brainstem involvement.
Not necessarily a bone on the nerve but because of the redente ligaments, they’re pulling on that. It’s deforming the spinal cord and/or brainstem and/or the vertebral artery going up into the brainstem, which can reduce certainly blood flow on one side and sometimes cause a physical shift of the, what is that artery called? It’s the one where the two vertebral arteries come together. It’s not coming to me.
The circle of willis?
No, that’s part of it.
I know. I’m just trying to think of what it is.
There is one that’s central to the caudal portion.
All of our readers are dying to know what it is.
They are but we have seen on MRI was when people are laying there, the central artery where the two vertebral arteries come together can be shifted to the left and all of a sudden go to the right, which implies to me that we’ve got a strong artery that is not sitting where it’s supposed to be. It’s generally centered to the brainstem. That means it’s moving around and potentially causing pressure where it was not designed to have pressure. Any case, that’s neither here nor there. That’s where I start looking at these things from a neurological perspective and saying, “We have this problem. We have that problem.” All of these parts and pieces come together.
Basilar artery.
Thank you.
I had to look it up but once I saw it, I was like, “Duh.” There’s a third portion, too. We talked about neurologically, it’s changing how the brainstem sits. We have circulatory then we also have cerebral spinal fluid dynamics change. None of which we can see on the CBCT.
We don’t see it well on a typical MRI either. We have ideas, but we don’t get a good sensation of how it’s pulsing or not pulsing, how fluids are not flowing until you start getting into what they call Cine studies. Cine just means cinema, but it is a movement study of a single slice of the MRI to see what’s moving, what’s flowing and what’s not flowing.
What we hear unfortunately very often is, “Why didn’t my other doctors tell me about this?” That’s why we have this show. First of all, don’t know what they don’t know. I don’t know what I don’t know and you don’t know what you don’t know.
I’ve got a pretty good idea of what I don’t know. It’s scary.
You do not know what you don’t know.
It scares me what I don’t know because I’ve got enough inkling. I’m like, “Oh, okay.”
You know you don’t know. There’s a time for stuff you know you don’t know.
I don’t know how deep it goes, but it scares me.
That’s the issue where there’s a frustration that people go through when they listen to us talk about this in the office or on the show. Your brain does this little poof moment of, “This makes so much sense. Why don’t I know more about this? Why has nobody told me about this before?”
Again, why we’re doing this and why we’re here now. I’m not playing my bass and you’re not out walking Sammy.
Restoration Room
She would love that. It’s so pretty out. This leads us to this word. Now, we have this subluxation or local shift or structural shift or neural structural shift. What we have is two parts. We have a misalignment we could document on CBCT and we have neurological tests. Let’s not go over those now. Testing that we did in the office to figure out that this particular misalignment that we saw on the image is active. It’s causing problems for this person. Now we have to do something about it. There are many different words chiropractors use for what they do, so the physical thing that they do. I still typically call it an adjustment.
I would concur. Sometimes I like to use the word correction interchangeably there. In chiropractic history, that means two different things but I like that because we are correcting the problem that is an underlying issue. I don’t like using the word manipulation.
Why? It’s because if I was to manipulate you, that sounds bad like my husband is manipulative. He’s not. If somebody said that out loud and you’d be like, “That sounds awful.”
If anyone in your family is manipulative, it’s you.
You’re not wrong. I know what I want and I get it. Adjustment correction. Is there any other words you can think of that people use?
Those are the big ones. I can’t think of anything else that comes into play but those are the big ones that along those lines. That’s what we do. It needs a better word, but the best thing we have is our resting areas. Restoration is what we’re doing, but unfortunately, we call it a rest area or restroom. Both of which, people associate with rest stops on the highway.
Going into the bathroom in general.
Quite honestly, ours do not smell as bad as some of the ones that I stopped at because I was over in Indianapolis.
We could call it relaxation suite.
We could but the goal is restoration because at that point time, why do we have people rest? Why do they need that twenty minutes? It’s because you need it at least that long, 15 to 20, to let your body get used to the new position, settle in and relax. If I find that if you don’t take the breaks when you’re supposed to.
If you don’t take that breath, you end up rushing back into the same policy that got you in trouble in the first place. You run back out into the environment outside that is designed to make you go a little crazy and ramp up your sympathetic nervous system. I know the roads that you’re on for your office. There is one road that I will drive. If I have to go to your house, there’s one way I exit. If I’m headed to the highway, there’s a different way that I exit because it’s more convenient. If I want to go to the barbecue place, I’m going to take the long road or at least I should.
It is very good. That time that people take after the adjustment is weird. Most people end up loving it but if we look at all chiropractors and put them all out there. A very small portion of chiropractors have people rest after their adjustment. First of all, because it takes time for us like being people in the office longer. Patients will be anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes in my office. I agree, it’s so important. When I have a patient, it’s like, “I don’t have time to rest.” I’ll be like, “See you next week.”
You will be back sooner than you want.
It’s not maybe always true, but it can be true and they know it.
It’s more true because I remember. This is the other problem why a lot of docs won’t have a resting area is because they don’t want to have that extra office space and pay the extra rent. The space isn’t utilized and monetized in a good way. The problem is Dr. Tom Forrest had a coach and I had the same coach later. The coach changed his mind after he found himself in that same boat but the Dr. Forrest had a coach that basically said, “Get rid of that resting area. It’s not making you any money. You don’t need it.”
Within about 2 or 3 weeks of not having the resting area, his patients started complaining because they weren’t holding their adjustments as well. It does make a difference. Overall, when I look at the profession, when I hear about other people coming in from other docs and how many visits they wanted.
They wanted three times a week for 18 and 20 weeks. I’m like, “No, we don’t need that. We might need twice a week for 4 to 6 weeks but because of the rest, we can keep it to that lesser amount. Oftentimes, it’s not uncommon for me to plan for six weeks of twice a week then all of a sudden, see it. At the end of four, we’re like, “No, we’re good,” then reduce them.
I always try to plan for the worst with patients. It’s way easier for us to be like, “Let’s just decrease it. You’re doing great.” Versus saying, “It was wrong. You need to keep coming in longer.”
Unfortunately, I would say my general game plan for patients is that middle of the road where we can go backwards. It’s the cases that are in tough shape and I can’t tell the cases that are tough shape from the cases that are bad, and complex cases, but they get well fast. There is no magic crystal ball at that point in time. Usually after about six weeks, I’m like, “This is not going as well as we had planned.” Sometimes you have to anticipate that to get people back to where they’re supposed to be and sometimes you just can’t. Any case, that’s restoration for you.
I like that. I’m going to steal that from you and start calling it a restoration room because it makes a lot of sense to me. Not that I do call it restroom, but if I did.
Naptime.
That’s what I have to make sure I don’t say. I don’t shorten it to restroom. Maybe I’ll call it restoration suite Just so I don’t call it a restroom.
I like that. That’s even better. The funny thing is, as an aside, I tell people as I’m laying them down for the first time. It’s like, “We’re going to have you rest here for about 20 to 30 minutes. Usually 30 on the first time. Snoring is optional.” I’ve rephrased that to remind them, not only is snoring optional for them. it might be optional for somebody else. It’s a little bit of a, “You’re open to do it,” but it’s a warning somebody else might as well.
There’s other people in the room with you. I had a new patient come in and her mom started care a week later. They were chatting away with each other. I was busy going back and forth and somebody else said, “They’re talking in there.” I was like, “Oh.” It was about time for them to come out. I had to say, “Next time, it’s about restoration. Not about talking. You folks have plenty of time to talk afterward.” They were having a great old time chatting about stuff in front of other people.
Holding
It is one of those things where you get a family in there and all of a sudden, they’re catching up. I had a similar situation not too long ago where the daughter is in college and she’s on the go. She’s in college locally and mom’s not seeing her as much. They’re catching up because they haven’t been able to have a dinner together. What else do we got? Do we have any other terms?
If you folks are in the comments or whenever you are reading this, write down, “What about this? What about that?” One of the other things I can think of is holding because you say, “I’m holding.” If you are a drug dealer, it’s a good thing. You’re holding meaning you have drugs. I never thought about that until one of my patients mentioned it to me, “When I hear this,” and I was like, “Tell me about your past.” That is one of those words also, holding your correction that a lot of people might not know what it means. It just means you don’t need to be adjusted, which is cool. How do you explain that to a patient?
I tell them that my job is not to adjust them every time they come in for a visit. My focus is on making sure we get this bone back in place so that it can stay there for as long as possible. The longer it stays in place, the better the body’s ability to heal and correct its other underlying conditions goes. We’re not a headache doctor.
We are a neural structural chiropractor. What that means is we’re focusing on the segment that is out of segment or segments that are out of place that are preventing your body from functioning and healing the way it’s supposed to. The sooner we can get you holding, the better off you’re going to be right off the board. We get them healing and, all of a sudden, if I needed to adjust you, if everything is right and I need to fix it again. If I fix it again, it’s going to get worse which is why we are also very sensitive to not adjusting when we don’t need to because that can make things worse if we over-adjust.
One of the ways when somebody asks me about that is I explain it. If I have a nail in the wall and it’s sticking out and I want to put it all the way back in. I take my hammer and I hammer and now it’s in the wall. A week later, later, that thing’s popped back out. I’m going to go grab my hammer and hammer it again.
A week later, I come by and it’s all the way in the wall. I’m not going to go grab my hammer and hammer it further into the wall and put a dent in the walls because now I’ve caused injury to the wall. That’s the very simple way I explain when someone’s not understanding holding an adjustment. We don’t need to put it in extra. People will say that to me, too. It’s is like, “I’m going out of town. Can you just give me one to help me last through the week?”
Maybe they’re experiencing some of the symptoms that they were experiencing beforehand. They’re not as bad but they’re like, “Doc, something’s off.” We check them and all of a sudden, it’s like, “No, you’re fine. You might have some other healing going on but you’re not out of adjustment.” Again, the less we have to adjust, the better. Unless people want to come in three times a week for the rest of their life. It’s good for our pocket book but not necessarily getting them better.
The less we have to adjust, the better. Share on XI do find that very occasionally, if I haven’t explained that correctly to someone. Someone will get mad when they don’t get an adjustment when they don’t feel good. I understand because like if I would have went to Dr. Jacob with all of these symptoms and not been out of alignment. I wouldn’t have tipped blamed him. I know better than that but I would have been like, “Oh,” because I know an adjustment would have helped me feel better.
If it was the right adjustment at the right time, I had to have been out and he was able to detect that and tell me for sure, “That’s happening now and you need an adjustment.” He did an excellent job. Props to him. Honestly, I wouldn’t have hesitate. I’ve referred a few patients to him not knowing him other than talking to him on the phone, but I would not hesitate to send everyone to him that is in that area. Amazing doctor.
Good to know too.
Not on the Blair website. I talked to him about that. He thinks in his mind that he has to be certified to be on it. I was like, “No, as long as you’re doing Blair chiropractic to 80% of your patients you can be on the website.”
Folks, as an aside, we are upgrading the Blair website. If you’re looking for a doctor in your area or just curious, reach out to us if the Blair website isn’t working. It’s going to be back and forth.
Between us to two, we know a lot of the upper cervical chiropractors in the world.
Maybe most, which is pretty scary.
It is scary. That’s why I was excited to meet Dr. Jacob because he is a fledgling chiropractor. He’s probably five years out. That’s still a pretty young chiropractor and a nice guy. We went over subluxation, adjustment, holding, CBCT, and listing. Those are some terms that we’ve used on the show before and we explain them a little bit. It’s nice to explain to them more. It’s a good point to educate yourself on what those means so that when you’re a chiropractor or someone else says those words to you, you’re like, “I know what that is.”
It's a good point to educate yourself on what the terms mean so that when your chiropractor or someone else says those words, you know what it is. Share on XThat’s about all I’ve got.
I’m done. My brain’s done for the day.
I’ve got some basin to do and dinner.
We got a busy Monday starting off bright and early.
I know I’ve got a student coming in to shadow me coming down from Palmer.
That’s fabulous.
That’ll be nice, but any case, that’s about it.
Where can they find you, Dr. Schurger?
I am at KeystoneChiroSPI.com, Keystone Chiropractic in Springfield, Illinois.
I’m Dr. Beth Bagley. I am in St. Louis, Missouri. We’re on the Westside. You can find us at PrecisionChiropracticSTL.com on all the socials.
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