Beekeeping adventures, breast thermography insights, and some unexpected laughs – this episode has it all! Dr. Frederick Schurger and Dr. Beth Bagley dive into the world of bees by exploring the challenges of harvesting honey (and avoiding stings). They discuss how “no pancakes” isn’t just a quirky title, but a nod to lighthearted distractions and deep conversations. Dr. Bagley opens up about her experiences with breast thermography as an alternative to mammograms, while the duo tackles realistic healing expectations for those with degenerative spine conditions. It is a mix of humor, health, and community stories that will leave you buzzing!
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SQUIRELL!!! BEES!!! No Pancakes
Introduction
We’re going to call this The Train Wreck Edition because we’re already trying to remember a couple of things. This has been one of those weeks. We didn’t make an episode last time. We had some stuff going on. I don’t know if it’s going to interfere with the actual posting schedule, which sometimes happens. Sometimes we have to take a break in the middle. One of the things I’ve noticed and my wife has also noticed is that this time does not feel like the first full week of September. It feels like we just did Labor Day again.
There’s an offness to this time and it’s affecting my brain and there’s a hurricane coming up. We’re not in the hurricane’s path, but it comes up toward us. We’re going to feel the barometric pressure, and my patients are feeling it. Your patients might be feeling it.
I have one patient in particular who becomes incapacitated anytime the pressure changes. She doesn’t mind it so much when it’s raining or when it’s clear. As it’s coming in, it messes with her severely. I should probably have her and her husband on at some point because their story is pretty phenomenal. They’re lots of fun and we can do that.
Two babies were born this week not in my practice, but among my practice members. A boy and a little girl. I’ve already seen the little girl, and it’s so exciting. I love it when there’s a new baby. Also, I saved a dog. I was walking up to the front desk, and I looked outside. I see this fluffball walk past my door. My front door is made of glass, so you can see right through it. I saw this fluff walk away and I was like, “What was that?” I look out, and it’s a puppy. It wasn’t just a little dog, it was a puppy. I was like, “Come here.” She came right to me. She walked right in like she owned the place. I was like, “What the heck is this puppy doing here?”
It was so cute like a sheepdog of some sort. Dr. Thomas checked, and she had a collar, but no tags, which is unfortunate. Then I picked her up and was like, “We should be looking for this puppy.” I walked out, and after about a minute, I saw this guy walking up and down. He didn’t realize he had lost his puppy. I saved the dog from getting run over by the Starbucks people who run around the office like crazy. The puppy survived, although the owner was a bit dumb. He said, “Are you the chiropractor?” I said, “I am.” He goes, “I’ll be coming to you.” Then I was like, “You better.”
What’s funny is how those connections happen. The people you meet on the street you’re like, “How’s it going?” I was shopping, as I often do when I’m over at my Arthur office. I’ll run over and pick up some snacks while I’m there, or get my eggs and such. I pulled into the parking lot of this one little grocery store. Shoutout to Shady Crest Meats there in Arthur, south of town. It is a phenomenal little shop. You can get a sandwich there if you’d like. Next to it, I saw a slab-jacking company. I thought, “I’ve got to make note of that before I leave,” because I have some unlevel concrete that I should get fixed.
Sure enough, I see the owner. He’s wearing a T-shirt with his company name on the back. I’m dressed up as I normally am in a bow tie and everything else which is way more dressed up than anyone in that community will do in a regular. We started chatting and exchanging cards because I needed his services, and he needed mine. We haven’t connected yet, but it’s funny how you can have a conversation with someone, help them understand that we’re here for the community, and interact with them. We want to help out the community. We want to save the puppies.
I saved a puppy. I didn’t eat the caps either.
Let’s just leave it. It’s ridiculous. The world is getting stranger and stranger.
It’s a poop show out there but as chiropractors, what we can do is help people rebalance their nervous systems in this crazy world. The craziness of the world will be attacking you. The stress doesn’t allow many people to hold onto balance and alignment, and that’s what we get to do. That’s what we get to help people. Somebody said after they got an adjustment, “That was the best rest I’ve had in weeks, even if it was just for twenty minutes after the adjustment.”
Chiropractors help people rebalance their nervous system because the craziness of the world will be attacking them. Share on XI’ve had several people fall asleep this time. I ask, “Do you want me to get you up?” Then they say, “No, I can stay.”
“Five more minutes. What do you need?”
This time, in particular, as you said, something feels off. Everyone’s stressed out and overwhelmed. Not everyone’s looking for their pets, but that’s not the only problem going on. This is the first full week of September, but I already want to call it October.
Let’s talk about what’s going on with your forehead. What happened to your head?
Nothing. I didn’t get stung. You can’t see it, can you?
I can. It looks red.
There’s a little bit, maybe still there. I was harvesting honey. That’s probably another reason it feels weird for both myself and my wife. She didn’t make the trek back to Indiana to visit my dad’s place, but I did, and we harvested honey off the supers.
Process Of Harvesting Honey
Tell me a little bit because I don’t know much about honey harvesting. We could do a whole episode, but I won’t ask for the whole thing. How many hives do you guys have? What is this?
We have four hives alive right now. We screwed up last time, and we’re hoping to figure out a way to fix it. I’ll be talking to better beekeepers who might help guide us through this because we’re not master beekeepers. We like to do it and we’re surviving getting honey. Each hive one of the hives had three supers, which are smaller hives. When you’re looking at a hive, there are always going to be 2 bigger 12-inch-high boxes. That’s where the bees live all year round. That’s theirs, that’s where their food is. That’s where they lay the eggs, and that’s half of the reason you want to keep the queen underneath that, and everything above that is extra. You basically give them extra places to put honey, and they will, and sometimes they have to draw out comb, which two of these supers needed comb drawn out.
Supers are the top part of the hive.
That’s where you are harvesting honey. That’s where you are going to get honey out. Stuff on the bottom, that’s theirs. That’s theirs to keep, and we had a good day to harvest. It was cool, and I only got stung once. I got stung three times. The forehead was through the suit. I’m wearing a suit. The first thing was on my belly through my T-shirt. All my exposed skin is not exposed, but they still can go through the T-shirt apparently, and that was at least 6 or 7 stings at 1 time. That I count as one.
It’s probably about 6 by 4 which is what swelled up afterwards sitting on my belly. It wasn’t bad. The one on my wrist after I was suiting up, that one, probably something got into the glove. That one is still a little bit swollen, yet mostly done, but I will never have arthritis in my right hand, which is great because I’m right-handed and I adjust to a lot of people. All sorts of bonuses.
Let’s talk about what you said because there is some benefit, I have heard, to bee stings. Tell me what you meant by that.
There is some evidence, and I’d have to go digging through research articles. There is some good evidence that both old wives’ tales seem to be supported by literature that bee venom from their stinger is anti-arthritic. You got arthritis somewhere and you should go and try to get a bee sting? Probably not. I have seen some stuff online where there’s a bee venom cream that’s supposed to take wrinkles away and take care of other stuff. They have got bee venom sprays that are supposed to help skin tags and things. I’m not impressed with anything that I have seen out there, and neither are the reviews.
Don’t spend all your money on bee venom.
You are going to spend enough trying to get honey. I was sharing with people because as we were uncapping and then spinning we have got a centrifuge that we spin the frames in. We are eating the caps because beeswax is edible. You don’t think that. It’s like, “Honey is what is edible and wax isn’t.” No. Beeswax is edible. It acts like a fiber and it chews like gum, and if it chews and chews and it doesn’t start breaking down and you can swallow it, that’s probably more propolis. Get rid of that stuff because you can’t break that stuff down. That is their mortar.
I have seen fa ull honeycomb-like a 2X2X1, at the local grocery store here, for $25. Everyone I shared that with was like, “What?” I’m like, “It’s a treat. You don’t do it every day. Can you eat that much? It’s hard in a sitting, but not impossible. We enjoyed ourselves eating that as we were cutting and doing all the work.
How much honey did you guys get?
We got 318 pounds of honey.
I have seen the little jars that you guys had.
The standard jar that we have and that’s a very common jar in the industry, it’s about 2 pounds. Roughly about 159 jars came out of that 318.
Were you guys having a bad year? That’s pretty great.
Honestly, I don’t think it was a bad year. I think they had some good pollen flows. Could it have been better? Yes. Could we have not killed the like we did last time? Probably. What we probably ended up doing, is we found a brood last time in one of the hives. We joke about it being the Sicilian hive. This was like a wild hive that spontaneously took over an old hive. I don’t think it was my grandfather’s, but as old as it is, it could have been.
There was a brood in one of the supers, so somehow a queen got up above where she’s not supposed to be. There’s a tray called a queen excluder, which is a bunch of metal frames or a bunch of metal slats where a worker bee can get through, but a queen, her thorax or abdomen is big enough for laying eggs that she can’t get through but a young queen who might not have been at full development could have gotten up there and then got stuck up there.
We moved the brood over to another hive to try to boost it, not considering that there was a queen up there. That hive moved to a new spot. That old hive, needed to die because the entire box was falling apart, but they kept on trying. They lay propolis down like we lay concrete down and the thing is, their propolis is stronger and it lasts longer, and it was holding that entire hive together. That’s a problem for various reasons because you have to be able to inspect the hive and other things, but it’s fascinating.
Debate On Local Honey And Allergies
The last thing I want to ask about honey is people talk about if you buy local honey, there is a possibility of helping with allergies. What do you think about that?
I think there’s something to it. How local does the honey need to be? Does it need to be within your community, or does it need to be in the greater area? When I’m looking at weather patterns and who I’m following to learn stuff about beekeeping, I like the people in the Midwest, and I will watch their videos a little bit more frequently than I will watch someone outside of the immediate Midwest.
There’s a guy by the name of Yappy Beeman down in Georgia. He’s on YouTube. He’s catching all sorts of lost hives and/or hot bee colonies that have infested an area that he needs to get out of. He will walk out like we are, no extra bee stuff, and he will literally grab and pull them in and not even worry about being stung. Somehow he can do that. I am not that blessed.
They like to sting you. Maybe it says a lot about your personality.
It could be and getting back to my point before you asked about the honey helping for allergies. I was about to say that I highly recommend, if you are going to do anything with bees, have a good bee suit because you won’t regret it. You’ll be able to work without having to worry about them too much. Like the honey that I’m getting in the Fort Wayne area, honestly, over here in Springfield not a problem. If I bring it down for you guys down in St. Louis, we are sharing.
It’s still in the Midwest.
A lot of the same pollen. A lot of the same things there. It’s great. Most people look at honey as if it’s pure fructose. From a biological standpoint, fructose is not our friend. That is the sugar found in fruit, but fructose in fruit is paired with a lot of fiber. The problem you have with high levels of fructose is your liver has to do all the metabolizing on that. That’s a lot of work on the liver.
Fructose is not our friend. When you have high levels of it, your liver has to do a lot of metabolizing that. Share on XThat’s one of the reasons we highly recommend not drinking high-fructose corn syrup sodas. In Powerades and Gatorades. All those things have high-fructose corn syrup.
Now you’ve got extra work on the liver causing other problems. High-fructose corn syrup only means that the fructose-to-sucrose content instead of being 50/50, sucrose, is a third sugar, but technically sucrose is equal parts glucose and fructose. Glucose, we can metabolize easily. Fructose needs to go to the liver. High-fructose corn syrup is high fructose and defines anything over 55%. That means That you would have 55% fructose to 45% glucose, and that’s a minimum. You could have much more fructose in one of those high-fructose corn syrups.
Fructose normally only occurs in fruit, and the amount of fruit you would have to consume to have the same problems you do with high-fructose corn syrup is a lot of fruit. You are going to get a lot of fiber with that. Honey is easier to consume, in the same fashion that high-fructose corn syrup is, but there are other compounds in honey that we don’t even know about.
That’s part of our ancestral diet and when I look at that, I’m like, “If we break it down to the chemicals, it is mostly fructose,” but there are other things.
There are antioxidant benefits to it. There are likely vitamins. The question is has anybody looked for it? The absence of a thing does not mean the absence of the thing. If you’ve never looked behind a door, you can’t say, “That thing isn’t behind that door.” It’s like, “Did you look?” “No.” We need to look. You need to confirm that there’s nothing behind the door to know what’s or what’s in there.
If you were to take a cup of high-fructose corn syrup closed up, and a cup of honey closed up, and set them there for ten years, what would the difference between those two look like, you think?
We have not found the pharaoh’s tomb that has high-fructose corn syrup.
I am on the lookout.
That’s a valid point. What happens? In ten years, I don’t know if you’ll see a difference. Will the honey crystallize? Probably, depending on how you process it. It will do that. What will the high-fructose corn syrup do? I don’t know.
It probably wouldn’t be edible, I’m going to be honest and the honey still would be.
The honey would still be edible. I would be suspect of the high-fructose corn syrup and the question then becomes what will an animal eat? It gets to the butter margarine. That’s the other interesting thing. Do you think that the beehives are going to have bees in them? No. The bees have mites. I can’t remember where the mites came from, but there was an infestation of a mite that will kill a hive and there are ways to mitigate the mites.
There’s what they call a small hive beetle, which is smaller than your pinky black beetles and they are hard mothers. They are hard to smush. They like the darkness. They live on the ground. Diatomaceous earth is good for killing them off, but they will lay their larvae in capped honey, destroying a whole hive’s worth of honey, especially a super’s worth of honey.
The good news is the bees can fend them off, but they are not going to be causing too much trouble to a healthy hive but could certainly destroy your honey crop easily. This begs the question, is there a large hive beetle? I assume somewhere there is, in different environments. I saw many invaders. You don’t see a whole lot of ants. They are pretty robust against ants but there were little hornets that were sneaking in, small ones that were trying to get as much of that honey off.
There was this one big black hornet that we had some stuff or our working tools laying out. The bees were trying to collect all the honey. I watched this hornet for about a minute. It came in and would whack everyone. It was about a third bigger than a honeybee, but it would smack the bees off of this brush so that it could get to the honey eventually, I grabbed it and was able to kill it because I was wearing a pretty robust glove because I’m like, “No, these are my bees.”
You went mama bear on your bees.
I did. I want to make sure that they are around for the next few years. That batch of bees. Bees last about 120 days. I would be curious. That’s an interesting question. What animals would go to the high-fructose corn syrup versus the honey?
The experiment. You put the honey on the ground and the margarine on the ground, and nothing is on the margarine, and the butter is covered in ants. Ants won’t touch it. What would they do with high-fructose corn syrup? Can you buy high-fructose corn syrup?
Yeah. Go to the grocery store. Somewhere in the sugar section, there will be high-fructose corn syrup in a jar.
I’m thinking of Karo syrup, which is corn syrup.
I am thinking of Karo, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there would be a high-fructose one. If it’s not there, you can probably order it.
I don’t want to order it. I don’t want that on my Amazon cart.
I would run into Gordon’s Food Service.
I think you’d have to buy 10 gallons of it.
No,. I am almost certain and this is why I’m looking right now on my phone.
You are wrong. I don’t think it’s one of those things that you can go get. Yes. I wonder because high-fructose corn syrup is still sugar. Like it’s fructose. Would the animals out honey, and you put high-fructose corn syrup, and maybe a sugar solution down I want to see what they go to. I bet they would go to all three, but it would be interesting.
You might be right.
I’m telling you, you can’t buy it.
I see lots of Karo.
It’s an industrial chemical. You have to buy a 55-gallon drum of it.
Why don’t they have that on Amazon? They should have that on Amazon.
What’s interesting to me is the fact that you can’t find it, and yet, it’s an ingredient in so many foods. If I wanted to make something, I could not, as a consumer, purchase high-fructose corn syrup and put it in my food. Karo, maybe we should look that up as Karo syrup fructose?
You cannot find high fructose in the supermarket and yet it is an ingredient in so many foods. Share on XI think it’s just corn syrup.
How much fructose is in here? It says it contains no high-fructose corn syrup,” so it’s not.
This is interesting because I found another brand that is corn syrup and high-fructose corn syrup, vanilla, and salt and it’s considered light corn syrup. It would be an interesting experiment all the way around.
High Fructose Corn Syrup Vs. Honey
The best you could do is get a soda and put it out. That still has other chemicals. It doesn’t do us good. If you are out there and you make industrial food products, and you want to give us a sample of high-fructose corn syrup, tell us so that we can do this experiment. You do it yourself and show us the answer.
I’m curious what straight Karo would be.
I tried to look it up like, what the percentage of fructose syrup is and it was not easily found on Google.
That’s why you’ve got to ask the AI to go search for it. Karo is going to be corn syrup, whereas this other one had high-fructose corn syrup.
The fake maple syrups are high-fructose corn, but then again, it has other ingredients in it.
We would like to know what it is.
I want to do it by itself, and then with the consistency of high-fructose corn syrup by itself. If I were to take it and dump it, is it like honey? Is it thinner than honey? Is it thicker than honey?
I was going to compare it to Karo, and I have not played with Karo so much. It’s thick.
It’s not good for you.
I’m aware. I had a nun who made me a pecan pie with chocolate chips, and technically, she didn’t make pecan pie. She made a pecan pie. There’s a difference and if you don’t know the difference, you’ve never had a pecan pie.
The other adventure that I have gone on is I had breast thermography. The standard of care for someone in my age group is to start getting what I call the smash-and-grab. What do you call it?
I was describing it to one of my patients. He’s an electrician, does some odd jobs, and does general contracting and I told him, “We hear about what women go through for a mammography,” and it’s like putting our balls in a vise. You go, “Uh-huh.” Then he and I both winced because neither of us liked that. It doesn’t feel good to think about, but then we were like, “We’ve got to squeeze. If that’s the case, then we’ve got to turn the crank on the manual thing,” but that’s the optional way to do it. Most of these machines for mammography automatically squeeze and pancake a breast. No.
To me, it’s not a natural thing I would do with my breast tissue. As a Blair doctor, we do leg length checks, and most Blair doctors do leg checks face down. I do mine face up. The reason is, I don’t like to lay directly on my breast. I don’t think it feels good. It makes me uncomfortable. It makes me hold my back a certain way. It could affect my results. That’s why I do almost all of my leg checks face up and I also don’t like laying on my face. All of the things and it’s all about me.
My patients do it the way I like to do it, but I did the research and I was like, “These are the options. I could go get the mammogram.” My sister’s gotten a mammogram and then she had to go get an ultrasound because of dense breast tissue and part of me was like, “Why not go straight to the ultrasound? Why do we have to do this mammogram thing in the middle?” The amount of false positives and false readings that are in mammograms is infinite. It’s like so much.
I was like, “What are my other options?” Other options are always like, pretty much, you have to pay out of pocket for, which is fine. The two options I saw were breast thermography, which is like a super cool camera that sees heat. When it takes a picture of you, it’s looking cold, hot, or what’s going on. I was like, “I want to do that,” and then I also doubled up because I like to cover all my bases. I did an ultrasound. Ultrasound is like they do anywhere in the body, but going around the breast tissue and seeing if there are any spots that they need to keep an eye on.
My mammography is the same way if you are looking for comparisons over time. I had my first thermography. So far, so good. On the ultrasound, they found this little spot that they were like, “We are going to keep an eye on that,” and I was like, “Okay,” but it wasn’t like, “Go out and go get a biopsy or something like that.”
Concerns With Mammograms And Biopsies
One of your questions to me before we started the show was, “Could a mammogram, the smashing of it, possibly break a capsule of a cancerous tumor? A biopsy does. If we have our body doing what it’s supposed to do, a tumor starts growing, and it’s not doing what it’s supposed to do anymore, and it starts growing these extra cells. There’s going to be some encapsulation around a tumor.
If our body is doing what it is supposed to do, a tumor will start growing and stop what it is supposed to do anymore. Share on XOftentimes, for our bodies, we put down calcium around these things. This is why if you’ve ever had a lymph node nodule and you’re palpating like, “There’s a hard little spot there along where the lymph nodes would be.” That’s because the body said, “Nuclear option. I don’t know what to do with this, but I don’t like it. Let’s wall it off and we’ll either worry about it later or it’ll be away from everything else.” That’s what ends up happening with a lot of things, especially in lymph nodes. The breasts are full of lymph nodes like crazy, and how many of those lymph nodes are walled-off pieces of something that decides to be calcified?
My brain with more of a natural standpoint, if I were to find something in my breast, what options would I have? The typical option is they first poke a hole in it, take a little bit out, and then send it off to the lab to figure out if histology is cancer cells. Let’s say it was, and it was cancer. By taking the biopsy, you’ve broken the capsule. What happens from there? That’s scary to me. Biopsies are scary to me, not because of what it could be, but like if we think it’s more than likely cancer, let’s take the whole thing out. This is my opinion and not anyone else’s. If you are going to do it, take the whole thing out. I don’t want a little piece out that could start sprinkling cancer cells into my bones.
Then biopsy it and make sure that there’s nothing else that it’s like, “This is a problem. We should see if there’s anything else that’s causing a problem in the body at that point in time,” or, “It’s perfectly normal, don’t worry about it.”
This is a doctor I want to get on here, and I won’t say her name right now. She’s putting her journey out on TikTok. Her first name is Wrend, and I can’t think of her last name. It starts with an M, but she’s on TikTok. She is a chiropractor, and she has been diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer, but she’s doing all the natural things. She’s fighting it with ozone therapy, frequencies, detoxes, parasite cleanses, and doing a whole bunch of things right now.
She’s not putting out exactly what she’s doing. Until she knows it works she doesn’t want to tell everybody what she did but she is talking about certain things that she’s been doing. She’s going to get another thermography and see if there are changes there. She did get a PET scan. That’s how they found the hot spots in her spine.
She’s trying to preach it more naturally, where I feel like I would probably be doing the same thing, but you never know until you’re in that situation but that’s one of the things I want to keep track of. One of the things they did say on my report is that I’ve got stagnation in like the axillary here. I don’t know what to do about that right now. I haven’t done research on things like, “Do I do lymph massage?” The answer to everything isn’t keto and kettlebells. It could be, but I will do some research between now and the next episode so that we can talk about it.
If it ends up being overhead presses and motion overhead, then I will try. I’m throwing silly stuff out.
I don’t know what it would be. I’m going to do some research on that and how I would love my next scan to not have that, but I’m glad we are talking about it because I forgot about it until right now. Those are some options out there. I used a place called Midwest Thermography. They’re here in St. Louis, off Clayton Road and Lantern. Very nice woman, very helpful. The images got sent to radiologists, and I got a report back and then the ultrasound I did is a traveling ultrasound group called HerScan and they’ve got a website. You guys can go on there and check them out and see if they are coming to you. If they are not coming to you, if you get enough people together, they will send a tech out to your group to do ultrasounds.
My question on thermography is because I have read a little bit about what slowed down the progression and use of thermography, especially for breast thermography. First off, it’s not covered by insurance largely because in 45 minutes, you need to get 3 scans for it to be an insurance-covered scan. You need to sit in the room topless for 45 minutes to get the 3 scans.
It wasn’t that long for that. The process that I went through is you are told the day of don’t drink coffee, don’t do a workout, don’t get a chiropractic adjustment, don’t do anything that could affect it, don’t wear a bra that day, and come with loose-fitting clothing. It was probably 5 or 6 minutes. It wasn’t long that we sat there, and I had a general gown on that wasn’t touching anything, and then we went, and she had my arms up, arms down, twisting, turning. There were different angles. I have heard that before, but this group doesn’t do that and I appreciate it. I was in and out of there in half an hour.
That’s not bad. My question goes back to what they were talking about. This is back in the ‘80s. How has technology progressed in that time that allows it to be a reliable test? As you said, they are going to do another test in three months, and then from there on out, as long as there’s nothing going on, now you can go out for a year for your comparison tests. I’m curious. It’s a change in how they approach things.
I’m looking at their pictures right now, it’s like, “Do I want to show these pictures?” I’m like, “I don’t think I do.”
We’re okay without them.
If there was something on them, I would share it so you guys would know what a hotspot is like, but I’m glad there’s not one.
I have a couple of other patients who have tried it out, and they are getting results back. They’re asking me, “What do you know about this?” Then I’m like, “I don’t.” The problem is that there have been questions about thermography that were never well answered and if you’re not in the thick of that technology right now, you might not see those answers. That’s okay. That means we need to educate ourselves but for those people who remember the older research, there might be some doubts.
If you’ve got a doctor saying, “That thermography stuff is bunk.” We know it’s not. We know there’s value to it. The question is what is the latest research talking about in regards to that value for what they’re finding now? It’s great because the machines around us are so low dose anyway that we’re not worried about a lot of radiation but we are around it every day, and that could add to a level of radiological burden.
Also if I was to hold my phone in my bra every day, which some people do in their bra, don’t do that. It is not a pocket. If you are on the phone and it’s going to be more than like a minute or so, I tend to not even put the phone up to my ear very often. I put it on speaker. People don’t talk on the phone as much as they used to, which is good, but also don’t fall asleep with the phone next to their head. This is radiation.
There is something there. It’s an electromagnetic field. Is it radiation in the same sense as an x-ray? No. You’ll get more radiation from a banana. A banana phone is bad.
I want to say it in case somebody wants to look it up on TikTok. It’s Dr. Wrendy Marcinik.
I think I did come across her not too long ago.
Aging And Chiropractic Care Expectations
She’s in the Ozarks, Missouri. Maybe, at some point, if she’s up to it, we can talk about her journey. The other thing I wanted to bring up in the path is aging populations. We have a patient who is elderly, or we call that “older years” that comes from the office, what conversations do you have around expectations of healing? What I have found is that as we get older we all see it and we all feel it healing is slowed down. We don’t heal as fast, but there’s also some permanent damage that is there that our body can’t go through. I do a lot of explaining like, “Let’s talk about expectations. Once you are at this phase of degeneration, you’re going to be there. I don’t want to get any worse, and maybe we can see some of your symptoms get better.” What do you talk about?
As we age, healing slows down. There may be permanent damage our bodies cannot go through. Share on XSometimes you can see it and sometimes you can’t and it’s funny because you bring this up. After all,e I was finishing up two cone beam reviews. The one patient might be about the same age. I’d have to compare notes because I always think of the one gal as being younger than she is, but she’s in her 70s, and she’s been a patient with her husband for at least 15 years. The other one was a newer patient and was a nurse.
It’s funny because I was looking at her lower cervicals, having a hard time seeing the edges, and I’m looking through the 2, 3, 4, 5 on the one side, and I’m like, “I got to go to a different view to see that joint.” Then I dropped down to six, and it is the biggest, clearest no problems, no degeneration at all whatsoever.
I will switch back going back to the other patient who’s been under care for several years. Great. She’s always had good posture. She’s not overweight. She’s taking care of her health. Her spine looks great. Very little degeneration. Able to make out all the margins on all the joints very cleanly and easily. Until I know what’s going on on the inside, I’ve got ideas about where you could be, but if you’re slumped over and you’ve got what they call the Dowager’s hump going on, nobody likes the hump. Nobody wants the hump. All the more reason we should be sitting up tall all the time.
If they are walking in with that, I’m like, “I’m not going to be able to reverse that 100%. Can I get you to start sitting up and standing up straighter and taller?” “Yes.” “Can I get you to be more productive in these late years?” “Yes.” What does that mean? Hopefully, it means that you can do the dishes when, whereas you couldn’t beforehand, and you could be active, and all the other things start working better.
I will put up their X-rays and compare them to other references I have in the office. Oftentimes, I’m like, “You are here. I can get you maybe a little bit back behind this, but you’re never going to go back to a perfect spot.” It’s like us, we don’t think we’re that old, but we’re not twenty anymore, but it’s between our ears.
Some of it, and some of its actual physical changes is knowing that when someone, their goal is to be pain-free. When you’re older, I’m not saying pain is normal, but pain, creaky joints, and you’ve lived a long, a lot of years on this Earth. To expect some achiness, there are some things that might be there and that’s okay, but the big thing is that if you’re having sciatica down your leg, we can’t live with that.
It also begs the question, “What nerve damage have you had? What tissue damage is going on?” I will work on somebody, I will check them, and they’re like, “That’s a little bit better. It still hurts.” I’m like, “I’m good. I’m not walking on water well.” There’s so much that your soft tissue has to fix up. Getting back to the bee stings from earlier. Years ago, I had probably more bee stings and fewer problems within the next couple of days. This time here, I took my sweet time. I didn’t get into my workouts. I took an extra day before getting into my “Friday workout.” I’m right now getting to the point where I feel like I’ve metabolized all that bee venom. Some things take longer to metabolize and sometimes your pain stuff takes longer. You have to tell them it’s going to take time. It’s going to take more time now than it did several years ago.
I get that that’s frustrating. It’s frustrating for me too.
If they don’t want to feel pain, they should go work in a beehive and get stung, and then they will feel pain. Hopefully, they don’t have an anaphylactic reaction.
The funny thing is, “Doctor, it hurts when I do that,” and you pitch, “Does it still hurt?” No.
I believe it was the great Dr. Groucho Marx. “Doctor, it hurts when I do this.” Then he said, “Don’t do that.”
Some of that can be true. Anything else for the episode now, doctor?
That’s going to wrap us up pretty well.
We talked about bees, boobs, and old people.
Ending Thoughts And Call To Action
As much as this started as a complete train wreck of “What we are going to talk about now?” It ended very well. This is a good place to go to say, like, subscribe, and send us a review, 5-star review, or 1-star review, they all help us in the algorithm. Maybe not the one-star review. Five stars are better. We do appreciate them. I was looking to see if there were any new ones, and the latest one we mentioned was elders from the Blair Chiropractic Clinic down in Lubbock, Texas. She said she liked our banter. She’s great, and, “We even like Gordon.” Dr. Bagley, where are they going to find you?
I’m in St. Louis, Missouri. You can find me at PrecisionChiroSTL.com. You can also find me on socials @DrBethBagley depending on where you are.
I am at KeystoneChiroSPI.com, Keystone Chiropractic in Springfield, Illinois. Like, subscribe, and share. Somebody might say, “I need to know more about thermography for breast cancer screenings. This might be the thing.” Someone’s going to be like, “Doc, tell us more about bees,” and maybe I have to create a beehive channel. There are plenty of those. Like you said, there are people who know more than I do.
Maybe you could just do what not to do.
Honestly, it would have been pretty funny seeing me get stung on a Saturday morning.
Terrible. We’ll see you all next time on the show.
Have a great weekend.
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